Noam Chosmky on MLK - carefully avoiding State-murder evidence
Excerpted from a longer interview for the Rob Kall Bottom-up radio show, 
WNJC 1360 AM, recorded Monday, January 18th 1-2 PM EST, to be broadcast 
Wednesday, January 20, 2010.
I asked Professor Chomsky about his thoughts on the transition of the 
culture and humans from top down to bottom up. 
He replied:
Today's a good day to think about that. Today's in memory of Martin 
Luther King, who is a a great man and an important figure who played a 
major role in the civil rights movement. 
I'm sure he would have been the first to say that he was riding the wave 
of protest and activism that developed from the bottom, that began 
with-- it goes way back-- black kids insisting on going to schools. 
Eisenhower had to call in federal troops to support them. Black students 
sitting in at lunch counters. Black and white young people joining to 
become "freedom riders." 
It's not easy. They suffered. A number were killed. They were brutally 
beaten and attacked. Things weren't pretty by any means. I saw some of 
that. 
Finally, enough of a popular movement developed so that Martin Luther 
King was able to lead major marches, demonstrations and so on that 
developed support in the north as well, as long as it was focused in the 
south. Racism in the north was barely addressed. But as long as it was 
focused on the atrocities in the south it got substantial support and 
finally enough pressure to get Lyndon Johnson to pass significant 
legislation and all of that was progress from the bottom-up, as most 
changes are. 
It's important to remember that Martin Luther King's career did not end 
withe "I have a dream" speech. He went on. He went on to extend his 
concerns and activism. And as he did, his popularity and reputation 
among northern liberal declined. He turned to protest against the Viet 
Nam war, correctly. He was assassinated when he was supporting the 
sanitary workers strike. And in fact, he was on his way to organize a 
poor people's movement. By that time, he was reaching class issues, not 
just racist Alabama sherriffs. And, as he turned to those issues, his 
reputation declined. I suspect, if you listen to the speeches today, 
about Martin Luther King, you won't hear a lot about that aspect. 
What we prefer to remember is his quite courageous efforts to carry 
forward civil rights legislation and civil rights reforms. And that was, 
doubtless, extremely significant. But it didn't end there. He went on 
and that was a part of his greatness, in fact, a large part of it. 
But with regard to bottom-up versus top-down, his role is a good 
example. There was a large scale popular movement created from the 
bottom up, which presented the circumstances in which he could be an 
effective leader...
William F. Pepper - An Act of State
The Execution of Martin Luther King
Talk given at Modern Times Bookstore, San Francisco, CA
4 February 2003
Tonight we have a very special author whose book, An Act of State: The 
Execution of Martin Luther King, Jr., has just been published by Verso. 
William Pepper is an English barrister and an American lawyer. He 
convenes a seminar on International Human Rights at Oxford University. 
He maintains a practice in the U.S. and the U.K. He is author of three 
other books and numerous articles. This book is the result of a 
quarter-century of an investigation. I will let Dr. Pepper give you more 
information. Let's give a warm welcome to William Pepper. 
Thank you. And good evening. This story actually begins with Vietnam in 
1966. As a very much younger person I was there as a journalist and 
didn't publish anything whilst I was there, but waited until I got back 
to the United States. Then I wrote a number of articles. One of them 
appeared in a muckraking magazine called Ramparts, that had its home in 
this city, published by Warren Hinckle in those days. It was called "The 
Children of Vietnam." That is what started me down the slippery slope of 
the saga of Martin Luther King; his work during the last year, and his 
death. And then an investigation which has gone on since 1978. 
When Martin King saw the Ramparts piece he was at a -- there are 
different stories of actually where he was -- but I think he was at 
Atlanta Airport on his way to the West Indies and he was traveling with 
Bernard Lee, his bodyguard. They were having a meal and he was going 
through his mail, according to Bernard, and he came upon this issue of 
Ramparts, January 1st, 1967. It had in it the piece that I wrote called 
"The Children of Vietnam." Bernard said as he started to thumb through 
it he stopped and was visibly moved. He pushed his food away. Bernard 
said, "What's the matter Martin, aren't you hungry? Is there something 
wrong with the food?" And he said, "No. I've lost my appetite. I may 
have lost the ability to appreciate food altogether until we end this 
wretched war." 
Then he asked to meet with me and asked me to open my files to him that 
went well beyond what was published in the Ramparts piece in terms of 
photographs. Some of you probably saw, if you're old enough to remember, 
a number of those photographs. Portions of them used to appear on 
lampposts and windows of burned and deformed children. That was what 
gave him pause. He hadn't had a chance to read the text at that point 
but it was the photographs that stopped him. 
The introduction of the article was by Benjamin Spock. It resulted, 
ultimately, in a Committee of Responsibility bringing over a hundred 
Vietnamese children, war-injured children to this country and our 
placing them in hospitals around the nation. This was so that people 
would have a chance to see first-hand what their tax dollars were 
purchasing. 
He is depicted on King Day as a civil rights leader. And that's the way 
you're going to see him probably forever. But he was much more than a 
civil rights leader and that's what no one in official capacity wants 
you to know. He had moved well beyond the civil rights movement by 
1964-65 and he had become effectively a world-figure in terms of human 
rights people and particularly the poor of this earth. That's where he 
was going. That's the area you don't really get into safely when you 
start talking about wealth, redistributing wealth. Taking, diverting 
huge sums of money into social welfare programs and health programs and 
educational programs at the grass roots. When you start going into that 
you begin to tread on toes in this country, in the United Kingdom, and 
in most of the western world. 
On the way to Cambridge to open Vietnam Summer, an anti-war project, we 
rode from Brown University (where he had delivered a sermon at the 
chapel there) and I continued the process of showing him these 
photographs and anecdotes of what I had seen when I was in the country. 
And he wept, he openly wept. He was so visibly shaken by what was 
happening that it was difficult for him to retain composure. And of 
course that passion came out in his speech on April 4th, 1967 at 
Riverside Church [1] where he said that his native land had become the 
greatest purveyor of violence on the face of the earth. Quoting Thoreau 
he said we have come to a point where we use massively improved means to 
accomplish unimproved ends and what we should be doing is focusing on 
not just the neighborhood that we have created but making that old white 
neighborhood into a brotherhood. And we were going entirely in the 
opposite direction and this was what he was pledging to fight against. 
We spoke very early in the morning following that Riverside address and 
he said, `Now you know they're all going to turn against me. We're going 
to lose money. SCLC [Southern Christian Leadership Conference] will lose 
all of its corporate contributions. All the major civil rights leaders 
are going to turn their back on me and all the major media will start to 
tarnish and to taint and to attack me. I will be called everything even 
up to and including a traitor.' So he said, `We must persevere and build 
a new coalition that can be effective in this course of peace and 
justice.` 
That coalition came to be known as the National Conference for New 
Politics. It was an umbrella organization and it held its first -- and 
last -- convention in Chicago over the Labor Day weekend of 1967. It had 
5,000 delegates, maybe the largest convention of people ever assembled 
in the history of this country, at the Palmer House in Chicago. They 
came from every walk of life, every socio-economic class, every racial 
group, every ethnic group. The purpose was to form this umbrella 
coalition that would effectively coordinate a massive third-party 
political campaign against the Johnson Administration and Johnson's 
re-election; but at the same time develop grassroots organizing 
capabilities in the communities across America. It wasn't to be -- 
although it continued and struggled for the period of a year -- but it 
wasn't to be because of government's wiliness and our naïveté. We never 
appreciated the extent to which government would go to undermine and 
undercut that kind of movement. They were responsible for the formation 
of a first black caucus. That black caucus was largely led by agente 
provocateurs who came from the Blackstone Rangers, organizations of that 
sort in Chicago. And they corraled each black delegate who came in and 
brought them into a room and formed this unity of all-black delegates 
and this commitment to vote as a block and introduce resolutions as a 
block. 
We thought, many of us, that this was a good thing because this was 
typical and representative of a growing black awareness, particularly 
urban awareness. Although in the caucus they of course brought in rural 
black leaders as well. We felt this was healthy and there would be then 
this block that would vote and introduce the concerns of the black 
community across America. We didn't know that it was government-induced 
and government-sponsored and government-paid for and that the leaders 
were gangsters. Blackstone Rangers would surface again and again in the 
course of the movement as capable of disrupting and causing havoc on 
behalf of their employers. Martin delivered the keynote address at the 
convention. I introduced him and he delivered this address and the 
importance of this movement. As he was speaking a note was passed over 
my shoulder to me and I read it and it said, `Get him out of here after 
he finishes his speech or we will take him hostage and humiliate him 
before the world.' They were so afraid that if this man stayed on for 
the substantive part of the convention that he, as a unifier, might 
bridge the differences and might overcome the provocation that was 
designed to disrupt the convention. But I really felt at that point I 
had no choice. It was the first tip-off of what was going on. But still 
[I thought these were] just angry, hostile urban blacks, disaffected 
with non-violence and who had a different way of looking at things and 
different tactics that they wanted to follow. I didn't think at all that 
it was (of course) officially inspired. So we did get Martin out of the 
Palmer House very quickly after his speech and they went on with the 
convention. It was all downhill from there. They forced through 
resolutions that simply were so antagonistic to sections of the movement 
and engendered such hostility that all the money dried up for that noble 
cause. They were successful. That being the case, nevertheless we 
struggled and worked in that last year of his life. I remember the last 
time I saw him alive (I think it was in late February). He had already 
started to become involved in the sanitation workers strike. In his own 
mind he thought that this was the basis for the encampment of the poor 
people in Washington and this was a good launching pad. He sympathized 
with all the goals of the sanitation workers in Memphis. We met at John 
Bennett's study at Union Theological Chamber in New York. There was just 
four of us: Martin, myself, Benjamin Spock and Andrew Young. Most of the 
dialogue actually came between Martin and myself in terms of my probing 
him about ways of briding the gap between his commitment to peace and 
non-violence and that approach of Malcom[ X]'s which was confrontational 
and violent in self-defense. We went away, with no resolution to the 
issue. And of course, the rest is history. He was assassinated on the 
fourth of April 1968, one year to the day (it's interesting) from the 
time he delivered the Riverside speech. 
We went to the memorials, Spock and I, and the funeral and then I walked 
away from political activity. I had had my fill of it. Ben and Julian 
Bond and others went up to see Bobby Kennedy who had asked, invited us 
all to come. I didn't know him in '68. I knew him as a much younger 
person when I handled the campaign of his as a citizen's chairmen in 
Westchester County in New York when he ran for the Senate. And I didn't 
like him at all. I thought he was opportunistic and all those things 
that you have heard about Bobby Kennedy I thought were true. I saw them, 
confronted them, directly. But the Bob Kennedy who was killed in '68, I 
think was a very different person. I regard it as one of my sadnesses 
that I did not see him at the end. Because he had made an overture to 
Martin to run as a Vice-Presidential candidate with him. It was not 
generally known. But when he made his announcement, March I guess it was 
15th or 16th, he made contact with Martin and I'm sure that contact was 
known. Eight, nine years later [Ralph] Abernathy called me and asked me 
to go up to the prison with him. Actually [it was] ten [years], it was 
in late '77, he asked me to go to the prison with him and interrogate 
James Earl Ray. I said, `This is a funny request Ralph. Ten years after 
the fact. Why would you want to do that? Do you have some questions 
about it? Isn't Ray guilty?' I didn't know anything about the case. I 
didn't want to know about it at that point. He said, `I just have some 
questions. Will you come along with me?' I still don't fully understand 
why he did that. He said, `But I want you to interrogate him and I want 
to watch him when you do that.' So I said, `Well, it's going to take me 
some while to get up to speed on this case. Because I don't know 
anything about it.' 
For the first time under oath in any assassination's case in the history 
of this country, or perhaps any other, there is the complete picture of 
how Martin Luther King was killed. There is every answer to every 
question. There is why the bushes were cut down the next morning. Who 
cut them down. Who asked to have them cut down. There is every piece of 
information there. For history more than anything else. 
It did take some time. In August of '78, finally, we went and we went 
through this session of five hours intensive interrogation of James Earl 
Ray. His lawyer at the time, Mark Lane, was there. A body language 
specialist from Harvard, [Dr.] Howie Berens came and he sat in a corner, 
just watched James' movements as I put him really through a rather 
rigorous, painful time. 
He was very different than we expected to find. He was shy, docile, 
soft-spoken, thoughtful and not at all the kind of racist figure that 
had been depicted in the media. Not at all. He knew very little about 
weapons, very clearly had virtually no skill at all with them. He was a 
petty thief and burglar, hold-up man. But he was totally incompetent in 
that. He was known for showing up too late in supermarkets he wanted to 
stick up, the time-lock would already have been fixed on the safe 
[laughs]. The staff would say, `Look, there's nothing we can do about 
this.' [laughing throughout remainder of paragraph] And they said, 
`We'll give you our money.' He said, `I don't want your money. I don't 
want to rob working people. I want the money from this corporation.' 
That type of thing. He kept five bullets, typically, in his pistol. When 
he was arrested at Heathrow Airport he had five bullets in his pistol. 
He always kept the firing pin chamber empty. When I pressed him on that, 
a long time, he wouldn't answer that question. Finally he admitted, with 
some embarrassment, that he kept the firing pin chamber empty because he 
shot himself in the foot once [laughs]. And he just didn't want to do 
that again. He was incompetent when it came to rifles. He had a 
virtually non-existent marksmanship score when he took his test in the 
Army. He didn't know much about guns. When he was instructed to buy a 
weapon that became the throw-down gun in the assassination he bought a 
.243 Winchester rather than a thirty-ott-six [.3006] that he was told to 
get. He didn't know the difference between them. When he showed the 
weapon he had bought to Raul, who was controlling him, he sent him back 
to exchange it. It was a matter of record. He went back and exchanged 
this one rifle for another the next day. That's not something he thought 
of himself. It just was the wrong gun. The guy wanted a .3006 caliber 
rifle so they had a .3006 rifle as the throw-down gun. So he had to go 
back and exchange it. After the interview we became convinced, Abernathy 
and I became convinced that he was not the shooter. We didn't know what 
other role he might have played. But it was clear he was not the 
assassin of Martin Luther King. This guy couldn't have done that. But he 
raised so many questions that I had never heard raised before, that had 
never been answered, that I decided I would begin to go into Memphis and 
talk to some people, become familiar with the terrain and the crime 
scene and see if I could get some answers to those questions. And I did. 
The more I began to probe around the more concerned I got about new 
questions that were unanswered. I had hoped that the Select Committee on 
Assassinations would solve that problem. Because they were in session at 
the time and I hoped they would solve it. 
Their report came out in 1979 [2] and they didn't solve it. All they did 
was to continue the official history of the state's case which was that 
James Earl Ray was the lone assassin and that he was guilty. I kept 
going back-and-forth visiting him and asking him questions and then 
going off-and-on into Memphis and then occasionally into New Orleans. 
Slowly things started to come together to the point where ten years on 
in this process I became convinced that not only was Ray was not the 
shooter but that he was an unknowing patsy. It was at that point in 1988 
that I agreed to represent him. So I became his lawyer and was his 
lawyer for the last ten years of his life, trying very hard to get him a 
trial. He never had a trial. It's amazing -- of course most people in 
the United States if not the world never understood that James Earl Ray 
never had a trial; that he was coerced into copping a guilty plea by 
Percy Foreman who was his second lawyer. People would say, `Well why 
would he plead guilty? Goodness me.' When you put that question to James 
his answer was always the same: "Look, he told me all kinds of things. I 
always wanted this trial. Right down to the end I was trying to get this 
trial. But Percy said to me, `You know, your Dad's a parole violator. 
He's going to be sent back to jail fifty years after violating that 
parole. They'll make sure he's locked up. Your whole family will be 
harassed forever. They convicted you anyway because the media has got 
you wiped out as the killer. You haven't got a chance. They're going to 
fry you Jimmy.'" But the thing that really convinced him to get rid of 
Foreman by pleading, was Percy's statement that "I'm not in good health, 
James. I cannot give you the best defense because I'm not in good 
health." And he said to me, "That was it. When my lawyer said to me `I'm 
not in good health and I can't give you the best defense,' that really 
started to worry me. Foreman said `What you should do is plead guilty, 
then make a motion for a new trial, get a new lawyer and you overturn 
the guilty plea and then you're off and away.'" James said, `But I don't 
have any money for a new lawyer.' So Foreman said, `Don't worry about 
that James. I'll give your brother Jerry $500 and he can go hire you a 
new lawyer. But you have got to make an agreement that you will not 
cause any problems at the guilty plea hearing. You'll just take that 
guilty plea.' 
Percy not only said that. He put it in writing. We got a copy of Percy's 
letter to James where he said, `Dear James, I'm going to give this $500 
to your brother on the condition that you plead guilty and you do not 
cause any undue disturbances at this guilty plea hearing.' He actually 
put that in writing. A remarkable admission. So James certainly, he 
plead. He did cause a little problem at the guilty plea hearing, but 
nevertheless he plead. And Jerry got the $500 and James didn't wait for 
a lawyer to be retained but he filed himself pro se (by himself) a 
petition for a new trial. He plead on March 10th, that was when he was 
guilty and convicted and sentenced to 99 years. And on March 13th, three 
days later, he filed. From March 13th until the day that he died, James 
Earl Ray was trying to get a trial. 
On March 31st the Judge, who had sentenced him and who had overseen the 
guilty plea hearings was reviewing the petition for a new trial, had 
told some people that he was concerned about certain aspects of the case 
(whether that is serious or not one doesn't know) and he was found in 
his office dead of a heart attack, with his head on James' motion 
papers. You can speculate what that means. It may mean nothing. It just 
may mean that man was under a lot of stress for a lot of different 
reasons, he had a heart attack and he happened to be reviewing those 
papers and when he collapsed and the head down it was on James' papers. 
But there is a law in Tennessee that says if a judge dies and you make a 
motion for a new trial and in the course of that motion before ruling on 
it the judge dies, you get a new trial automatically. There were two 
people who had filed those motions before [Judge] Preston Battle. One 
was James Earl Ray and the other person was the one who got the trial. 
James didn't, of course. So he went on, all of those years, trying to 
get that trial and was unsuccessful. Meanwhile the state's case was 
articulated in a number of books, by Gerold Frank, a chap called 
[George] McMillan, eventually commentaries by David Garrow and 
ultimately a fellow called Gerald Posner. Always the same line, always 
the same story, unyieldingly: lone assassin, no conspiracy, no deviation 
at all. That's been the case from beginning to end. I tried to get James 
a trial for many years. But in the initial stages we lost all the way up 
through the Supreme Court. We were denied. I guess we finished that 
process around 1990, . . . '89, '90, '91 it was certainly completed. In 
1992 I got the idea: Why don't we try to do this trial on television? So 
HBO in this country and Thames Television in the U.K. sponsored a 
television trial called "The Trial of James Earl Ray." The trial was 
prepared in 1992 and it began and was tried in 1993, the 25th 
anniversary of the assassination of Martin King. 
The Judge was a former federal Judge, Marvin Frankel out of New York, a 
very tough judge. We fought all the time, particularly in chambers. 
Eventually we became friends. But it was very hostile during the trial. 
The Prosecutor was Hickman Ewing Jr., a former U.S. attorney who had won 
200 straight prosecution cases as a U.S. attorney. Some of you may know 
him and know the name. He was Ken Starr's Number 2 in the Whitewater 
investigations for a number of months if not years. The jury came from 
all over the country and very strictly adhered to were the rules, 
Criminal Procedure of the State of Tennessee. It was a serious trial. 
Even though it had no script or anything. The witnesses were not 
scripted in any way. 
It took the jury about seven hours after that television trial to come 
back with a verdict of Not Guilty, James Earl Ray. You probably never 
heard of that. Because it was not reported anywhere and if it was it was 
mentioned once or twice in a couple of media entities. It was called 
"entertainment." It wasn't really serious you see. It was a form of 
entertainment. But what it did do was to bring to the fore, witnesses 
and information that had not been possible to get before that. So in 
that way it was very helpful. And in one instance, we had four witnesses 
whose testimony would have caused the indictment of a man called Lyod 
Jowers who owned Jim's Grill which was a café on the ground floor of the 
rooming house from which the shot supposedly was fired from the bathroom 
window. Behind Jim's Grill there's a big vacant lot, bushy area, heavily 
overgrown at the time and it backed onto the Lorraine Motel where Martin 
King stayed. These people gave me enough evidence as a result of the 
trial and my discovering them and the investigation (we had over 22 
investigators working for me in the course of that preparation) to 
indict Jowers. Jowers knew about it. I'd known Loyd Jowers since 1978. 
He's one of the first people I'd talked to. I'd known this guy for 14 
years already and he (of course) never admitted anything and he lied 
about everything. But as these witnesses now started to assemble, it was 
powerful testimony against him. 
HBO in this country and Thames Television in the U.K. sponsored a 
television trial called "The Trial of James Earl Ray." The trial was 
prepared in 1992 and it began and was tried in 1993, the 25th 
anniversary of the assassination of Martin King. . . . 
        It took the jury about seven hours after that television trial 
to come back with a verdict of Not Guilty, James Earl Ray. You probably 
never heard of that. Because it was not reported anywhere and if it was 
it was mentioned once or twice in a couple of media entities. It was 
called "entertainment." It wasn't really serious you see. It was a form 
of entertainment. . . . 
        The consolidation of the control of the media is a major problem 
in this democracy as it is in most democracies today. I don't know how 
democracy can function when people are not allowed information that's 
essential for the decision-making process. But rather they get 
propaganda continually. 
One of them was his former -- and she was still active as his girl 
friend and lover at the time -- she became former by 1992, but back in 
'68 she and Loyd had a thing going. Her story was that she came into the 
Grill on the afternoon of April 4th. She didn't see Loyd around 
anywhere. He was the manager and the short order cook and he helped do 
everything. And she saw the kitchen door closed which was unusual so she 
opened the kitchen door thinking that `Well maybe he's out in the back 
fooling around with some of those local ladies.' Because she never 
trusted him really. 
As she got into the kitchen she saw the kitchen door was open leading to 
the outside. As she approached that open kitchen door she heard a 
gunshot. She was startled but she still went on. As she got into the 
doorway, here comes Loyd running through the bushes carrying a 
still-smoking rifle. He brushes past her quickly, comes inside, bends 
down to take the shell out and break it down and says to her 
plaintively, `Betty, you wouldn't do anything to hurt me would you?' And 
she said, `No Loyd of course not. Of course I wouldn't.' So he throws 
the shell down the commode, the toilet back of the kitchen and stuffed 
it up in doing it. Then he covered the rifle with cloth and brought it 
down and put it under a shelf. Betty [Jean Spates] had known about this 
(of course) since 1968. It was only in 1992, I think December of 1992 
where she finally agreed to tell me this story. I'd known her for a lot 
of years. Loyd tried to keep me from even finding out where she lived 
but she told me this story then. There were three others with similar 
incriminating pieces of information -- a taxi driver who saw the murder 
weapon, whom Loyd asked to get rid of the murder weapon, or hold onto it 
-- a whole series of different witnesses. So Loyd was in trouble and he 
knew it. He said to his lawyer, `You go and get me immunity from 
prosecution and I'll tell everything I know about this killing.' So his 
lawyer, Lewis Garrison goes off to meet with the District Attorney 
General and tries to get immunity for Loyd. He said, `Loyd will tell you 
everything. This is the case of the century. You can be the most famous 
prosecutor in America. You can break this case.' Not only does Loyd not 
get immunity from prosecution. But the District Attorney General never 
interviewed him. Never even spoke to him. Nobody wanted to prosecute 
Loyd. But he still was worried because I sat a colleague of mine outside 
of the Grand Jury room for two weeks trying to get the foreman of the 
Grand Jury to let him in (he was a lawyer) to give evidence and provide 
the foundation for the giving of evidence of these witnesses so that the 
Grand Jury independently of the Prosecutor (if we could get them to run 
away) would issue an indictment. He never got in. But Loyd didn't know 
that. So Loyd conjures up with his lawyer and some others the idea that 
he'll try to get this story out publically. They contact Sam Donaldson. 
(I don't know if you know who he is.) He was an ABC journalist who ran a 
program called Prime Time Live. Donaldson agreed to put Jowers on and 
let him tell this story. So Jowers goes on television and tells his 
story on Prime Time Live and it seems like it's a big news story. 
I actually got it covered in The Observer in England. I had been living 
all this time (by the way) in England. Not in the United States. I had 
moved to England in 1980-81. I had moved my family there and I was a 
visiting scholar at Cambridge at the time. And that was a much nicer 
place to raise children considering some of the things I was getting 
myself in to. But I had to come back and forth continually to commute on 
this, to do this work. 
The next morning, after the Prime Time Live program, there is no 
coverage at all of this. Not even ABC News treated their own program as 
a news-worthy event. There was no coverage at all and no mention in the 
press. It just goes by-the-by. 
So the investigation continues. In March, about March 20th or 21st, 
after the trial was over, a journalist named Steve Tompkins wrote an 
article in the Memphis Commercial Appeal. It was to have been the first 
of eight installments. It became the only piece, but it was a very 
lengthy piece. It dealt with the infiltration of the civil rights 
movement and black leaders throughout America by military intelligence 
going back to the second decade of the 20th century. 
He traced the history of military intelligence's concern and 
surveillance of black community leaders and brought it all the way down 
(of course) to the COINTELPRO operations [3] in the '50s and '60s, 
particularly against Martin King. [4] 
But the article showed that what happened in the '50s and '60s was just 
a continuation of what had been going on since around the time of the 
Russian Revolution. Because blacks were regarded as prime candidates for 
recruitment to the Communist Party after the Russian Revolution. So they 
had to be watched and surveilled. Hoover's Number 2 of course, [Clyde] 
Tolson was an officer of military intelligence and Hoover himself was 
given a rank of Colonel which he only discarded after the Second World 
War. In this article there was one little paragraph that caught my eye. 
It said, in Memphis on the day of the assassination of Martin King there 
was an [Special Forces] Alpha 184 Team there. And nobody understood why 
that team was there. Alpha 184 six-man unit was a sniper team. No one 
understood why they were there. I was curious about that and I went to 
see Steve and I said, `This is a whole other dimension to the case.' I 
was beginning to form the opinion pretty clearly that Martin King had 
been killed as the result of a Mafia contract. There were any number of 
bounties on him in those periods of time and a fair amount of money had 
been raised to try to get him killed. None of the occurrences were 
successful and I figured ultimately one was and this was a Mafia hit. 
And that was it. But now, all of a sudden, into this picture comes one 
of the most secretive aspects of the government of the United States: 
the role of the Army and the Army and military intelligence on American 
soil. That bounded and intrigued me so I said to Steve, `Will you 
arrange for these guys' -- whom he knew, he knew two members of this 
sniper team -- `will you ask them if they'll answer questions for me?' 
It took awhile and he said No, he wouldn't. He refused for the longest 
time. He didn't want anything to do with these people again because he 
said they were nasty, they'd kill you where you stand, they'd kill your 
family, your kids, anyone else. These are just trained killers and that 
was the way it was. He didn't want anything more to do with them. So I 
kept going back and again [saying] `Look, we got this guy in jail and we 
believe he is innocent. Any information I can get I need to have.' 
Finally he said he would help. They would not however meet with me. They 
would trust him because he had never betrayed them. He was a former 
Naval Intelligence officer himself. So he agreed to take questions from 
me and they agreed to take those questions and answer them. For a long, 
extended period of time I would give Steve questions. He would go and he 
would come back with answers. He'd go again, come back. This was all in 
his spare time and only his expenses were paid. As he got the answers to 
the questions -- he knew nothing really about the details of the 
assassination -- he didn't even know why I was asking certain things. 
But as he got those answers back to me -- these people were in Mexico by 
the way; they fled the United States in the '70s because they thought 
there was a clean-up operation underway so he had to make the trip to 
Mexico -- the picture started to become clearer and clearer to me as I 
got the answers to these questions. It became evident that the military 
did not kill Martin King but that they were there in Memphis as what 
I've come to believe was a backup operation. Because King was never 
going to be allowed to leave Memphis. If the contract that was given 
didn't work these guys were going to do it. The story they told was that 
the six of them were briefed at 4:30 in the morning at Camp Shelby. The 
started out around 5 o'clock. They came to Memphis. They were briefed 
there. They took up their positions. At the briefing at 4:30 they were 
shown two photographs who were their targets. One was Martin King and 
the other was Andrew Young. That was the first time I'd heard that 
Andrew Young might even conceivably be a target. But that's what he was. 
The main informant who told us most of the information in fact was the 
sniper who had Young in his crosshairs. Now as far as they knew they 
were going to kill these people. They had no regrets about it at all 
because they considered them as traitors and they used very unkind words 
about them. So they were going to kill them and they were prepared to do 
that. But they never got the order. Instead they heard a shot. And each 
thought the other one had fired too quickly. Then they had an order to 
disengage. It was only later that they learned that, as they call it, 
`some wacko civilian' had actually shot King and that their services 
were not required. But that's how they worked. This was not a one-off 
for these guys. They were trained snipers. You remember a hundred cities 
burned in America in 1967. These guys were sent around the country, 
teams of them, into different cities. These particular fellows had been 
in Detroit, Newark and Tampa and possibly L.A. They were given mugbooks. 
Those mugbooks were the photographs of community leaders and people who 
were to be their targets. And they would be put in positions and they 
would take out community leaders who would somehow be killed in the 
course of the rioting that was going on in various cities. The 
assassination of Martin King was a part of what amounted to an on-going 
covert program in which they tried to suppress dissent and disruption in 
America. He was shot from the bushes behind Jim's Grill, not from the 
bathroom window. And he was shot as a result of a conspiracy that 
brought a man called Frank Liberto -- who was a [Carlos] Marcello 
operative in Memphis, he ran a wholesale food place -- in to see Loyd 
Jowers whom he knew. Jowers owed him a very big favor. And in addition 
to that he paid Jowers $100,000 and that was to take complete use of 
that Grill facility for planning and staging of the assassination and 
the room upstairs that Raul (who was controlling James Earl Ray) would 
have James rent and then keep out of most of the afternoon. The final 
stages of the assassination logistically were planned in Jim's Grill 
itself and there were a number of Memphis Police Department officers -- 
some of them were senior officers -- who were there. One of them was a 
black officer called Marrell McCollough. Marrell McCollough is still 
alive and well today in Memphis, Tennessee. He went from the Memphis 
Police Department to the Central Intelligence Agency where he worked for 
a number of years [in the 1970s]. Before he became an undercover Memphis 
Police Officer, he was brought back to active duty by the [Army] 111th 
Military Intelligence Group [MIG] on June 16 1967. So he was seconded 
from military intelligence to become a policeman to go undercover with a 
black group called the Invaders, a local group. So McCollough was very 
much in the frame, in terms of all of these that were happening. He 
participated in the planning. And Jowers named the other people who were 
involved in the planning as well. 
It became evident that the military did not kill Martin King but that 
they were there in Memphis as what I've come to believe was a backup 
operation. Because King was never going to be allowed to leave Memphis. 
If the contract that was given didn't work these guys were going to do 
it. . . . 
        This was not a one-off for these guys. They were trained 
snipers. You remember a hundred cities burned in America in 1967. These 
guys were sent around the country, teams of them, into different cities. 
These particular fellows had been in Detroit, Newark and Tampa and 
possibly L.A. They were given mugbooks. Those mugbooks were the 
photographs of community leaders and people who were to be their 
targets. And they would be put in positions and they would take out 
community leaders who would somehow be killed in the course of the 
rioting that was going on in various cities. The assassination of Martin 
King was a part of what amounted to an on-going covert program in which 
they tried to suppress dissent and disruption in America. 
Each of these groups of people only knew what they had to know about 
this overall assassination scenario. There were two photographers on the 
roof of the Fire Station and they filmed everything. They were still 
cameramen and they filmed the balcony, the shot hitting Martin King, the 
parking lot, up into the bushes and they got the sniper just lowering 
his rifle. 
So the whole assassination of Martin King is on film. We negotiated for 
a year-and-a-half with those guys -- who were psychological operations 
Army officers -- to try to get it. They didn't know there was going to 
be an assassination. They were there to take photographs of everybody 
and everything around the Lorraine Motel at that point in time. The guy 
just happened, when he heard the shot, to spin his camera up into the 
bushes. That's why they got the photographs that they did. We came close 
to getting an agreement with them. Then my contact made a mistake and 
used his own name on a flight into Miami. The FBI field office sent a 
team to track him. When he was meeting with them in an open park area 
one of the FBI guys put a big long lens camera out the passenger side of 
the car and the Army officer saw it and spooked him. He thought we were 
trying to set him up and he split. That broke down the negotiations. But 
they didn't know what was going on. The guy who shot King was a police 
officer and he would only be told what he needed to know. The Alpha 184 
team knew nothing about the Mafia operation that preceded them. The 
Memphis Police Department knew of the Mafia contract and they covered 
that up. The FBI's role was to take control of the total investigation 
and to cover it up. There isn't enough time to go into the details of 
the evidence. I'll be happy to answer any questions that you have. I try 
to cover all of the evidence that we have -- and that we eventually put 
before the court -- in the book. Needless to say all of this started to 
flesh out in 1993 and '94. I did a work-in-progress up to that time 
called Orders To Kill. That book was never reviewed in America. This 
book will never be reviewed in America. Most masses of people here will 
never know anything about this story because the book will receive no 
attention whatsoever. 
I have friends in a lot of media organizations, sometimes fairly senior 
journalists and reporters and they say, `Bill it's just not worth our 
jobs. Don't expect us to have you on in terms of this book. It's not 
worth our jobs.' The consolidation of the control of the media is a 
major problem in this democracy as it is in most democracies today. I 
don't know how democracy can function when people are not allowed 
information that's essential for the decision-making process. But rather 
they get propaganda continually. Orders To Kill came out. It was 
unnoticed except by the King family whom I kept in touch with over time 
and they knew about the work. At one point it became evident that James 
Earl Ray was dying and he needed a trial, desperately or he would be 
dead and there would be no possibility. He was dying of hepatitis, a 
liver disease. 
We put extra pressure to try to get this trial based upon a lot of the 
evidence we had. We had a sympathetic judge, Judge Joe Brown. Joe was 
very much inclined to give us a trial. Then at the midnight hour, I 
think just within the week before I think he would have ruled in our 
favor, he was removed from the case. The state made a motion that he was 
prejudicial, he was behaving improperly as a judge, and he was removed. 
There went the possibility of that trial. The family came very strongly 
in support of a trial for James and the family suffered as a result of 
that. They lost millions of dollars of contributions to The King Center 
and they knew it would happen. I didn't have to tell them but I did. I 
said, `Remember what happened to Martin when he opposed the war. You 
know what is going to happen to you. Once you take this one on, and you 
align yourself now with the accused assassin of your loved one, you know 
what's going to happen to you. You know you're going to be called fools. 
They're going to start finding reasons to attack you. You're going to 
lose corporate contributions.' And all of that happened. But they 
struggled on. 
We had an arrangement for James to get a liver transplant at University 
of Pittsburgh Hospital. Dr. John Fung agreed to do that, put him on the 
list and he had the criteria to move forward. I made a motion to the 
court for that permission to have him taken to Pittsburgh for that 
operation. We had him evaluated in Tennessee. And we were denied, the 
motion was denied. Even though it wasn't going to cost the state 
anything it was denied. He died in 1998. I always wondered if there was 
anything more that I could have done and was I not attentive enough. Any 
lawyer would go through that when you have a person who has spent most 
of his life in prison and you know he's innocent. You want to get him 
out. I'm not a criminal lawyer by trade. It's not what I do. But 
nevertheless I wasn't hardened to it, I guess you could say, and I took 
it pretty badly that this guy eventually died without a trial. The 
family and I met and made a decision. Or rather, Mrs. King made the 
decision. I just laid out what options were left in terms of getting the 
truth out. And the one option that was left was a civil suit, a civil 
action. It was a wrongful death civil action that I proposed against 
Loyd Jowers and other known and unknown conspirators. There were members 
of the family that wondered if it was worthwhile. `We'd been hit and 
beaten down so much,' they said, `is this really worth it? Why are we 
doing this? We're just going to get hit more. Nobody is even going to 
hear about this.' This debate went around for a long time. Finally Mrs. 
King stopped the debate and she said, `I always have to think about two 
things when we have these difficult decisions to make. One is, what 
would Martin have done in these circumstances? And two, what would he 
want us, his heirs, to do in these circumstances?' Then she looked at me 
and she said, `Bill, we're going to trial.' So we filed that lawsuit in 
1998 against Mr. Jowers in the Circuit Court in Tennessee and we waited 
a year until we were sure we were going to get the judge we wanted to 
get who was a black judge named [James] Swearingen. He had a reputation 
of being an independent guy. He'd been on the bench for a long time. 
He'd been involved in the movement in his youth. He was also going to 
retire. He didn't have much longer to go. As it turned out this was his 
last case. So we got this case before Judge Swearingen, who was not in 
good health. We tried the case in 1999 for 30 days: 70 witnesses, 4,000 
pages of transcript that today is up on the website of the King Center 
-- thekingcenter.com has all of the testimony of this. [5] And for the 
first time under oath in any assassination's case in the history of this 
country, or perhaps any other, there is the complete picture of how 
Martin Luther King was killed. There is every answer to every question. 
There is why the bushes were cut down the next morning. Who cut them 
down. Who asked to have them cut down. There is every piece of 
information there. For history more than anything else. 
It took this jury 59 minutes to come back with an award and with a 
verdict on behalf of the family against Jowers and known and unknown 
conspirators in the government of the United States, the state of 
Tennessee, and the city of Memphis. The family felt and feels 
vindicated. They feel comfortable that they know now how it happened and 
why it happened. The reasons were all laid out. Martin King was killed 
because he had become intolerable. It's not just that he opposed the war 
and now was going to the bottom line of a number of the major 
corporations in the United States; those forces that effectively rule 
the world at this point in time, the transnational entities. But more 
importantly, I think the reason was because he was going to bring a mass 
of people to Washington in the spring of '68. And that was very 
troubling. He wanted to cap the numbers. But the military knew that once 
he started bringing the wretched of America to camp there in the shadow 
of the Washington Memorial, and go every day up to see their Senators 
and Congressman and try to get social program monies put back in that 
were taken out because of the war -- and once they did that, and they 
got rebuffed again and again they would increasingly get angry. It was 
the assessment of the Army that he would lose control of that group. And 
the more violent and radical amongst the forces would take control and 
they would have a revolution on their hands in the nation's capital. And 
they couldn't put down that revolution. They didn't have enough troops. 
Westmoreland wanted 200,000 for Vietnam. They didn't have those. They 
simply didn't have enough troops to put down what they thought was going 
to be the revolution that would result from that encampment. [6] 
So because of that I think, more than anything else, Martin King was 
never going to be allowed to bring that mass of angry, disaffected 
humanity to Washington. He was never going to leave Memphis. And that 
was the reason for the elaborate preparations that they had. That trial 
(of course) was not covered, with very few exceptions. You probably 
never even heard of the trial. General Counsel of Court TV is a friend 
of mine. He said, `Bill we're going to cover this live because this is 
the most important trial in terms of the history of democracy in this 
country; these issues that are being raised of any I can think of.' 
Court TV's camera stayed in the hallway with the rest of them except 
when Mrs. King testified or Andrew Young or Dexter [King] or somebody. 
They never came in and they certainly didn't cover it live. All the 
other media people came and stayed in the hallway and came in at 
selected points and came and went. None of this was ever reported. There 
was one ABC local anchorman [Wendell Stacey] who came in, very cynical 
in his outlook, and he started to film for his local station. As he 
started to listen to the evidence he was fascinated and intrigued. He 
decided he was going to stay and he was going to film this thing. He was 
told by his producer, `Don't do that. Get yourself out of there.' He 
ignored that, under threat of being fired and eventually he was fired. 
But he tried -- and he did film it -- and finally got his job back, 
ultimately through wrongful dismissal. But it was a chastening event for 
him to sit there and to listen to this evidence and to realize that he 
was being told to suppress it. To his credit he tried to hang on. 
But there was a narrow window of about 12 hours where there was some 
minor reporting. And then it just all went away and has never been heard 
of again. [A member of the audience interjects: "Page 15 of the 
Washington Post, five paragraphs."] Yeah. The New York Times did a bit 
of it too. But then it just disappeared and it was never again reported 
or commented upon. 
Except wherever it was raised, critics would start attacking. None of 
them had ever been there [laughs] at the trial. They started attacking 
the Judge. They attacked the defense counsel. They attacked the jury. 
They attacked the King family. There were various shots of that sort to 
try to say that this trial was a farce, it didn't make any sense, and 
made no difference anyway. 
It was the assessment of the Army that [King] would lose control of [the 
Poor People's Campaign in Washington D.C.]. And the more violent and 
radical amongst the forces would take control and they would have a 
revolution on their hands in the nation's capital. And they couldn't put 
down that revolution. They didn't have enough troops. Westmoreland 
wanted 200,000 for Vietnam. They didn't have those. They simply didn't 
have enough troops to put down what they thought was going to be the 
revolution that would result from that encampment. 
The family decided that was basically it for them. They had the answers. 
The answers were on the record. But at least they would take it one step 
further and see if on the basis of all of that evidence now, there could 
be an independent evaluation. So they asked for a Truth and 
Reconciliation Commission. They visited with President Clinton and asked 
for that. He refused that request. Instead he turned it over to Janet 
Reno and she appointed her Civil Rights division to put together a task 
force to do the investigation. They did and they came away with a 
whitewash which was predictable and which was the reason why we had 
wanted an independent commission to look at this that had subpoena power 
and the power to grant immunity from prosecution to get at the truth. 
But nobody was going to go that route. 
I deal in detail in the book, almost line-by-line, with the report of 
the Department of Justice in terms of the investigation and deal also 
with the state's case as it has been articulated by various writers over 
the years. Because I think it is important that people have a look at 
what the state has said and what the facts are about that and also what 
the Attorney General's report said. To see that in the context of the 
evidence that came out at the trial. That I suppose really is the end of 
the story at this point in time. This work is probably the last that can 
be done in terms of bringing everything out. Although, twenty-five years 
later people still come forward. And there are a couple of loose ends 
that just have to be tied up (and I'll probably try to do that for the 
paperback version). But I don't think we really have much hope of going 
anywhere legally with it. James is dead. The family has won a civil 
action against one of the few people who could be sued. There are still 
some others. But I don't think we can go very much further with the 
case. It is important for Americans to look at this case history in 
terms of the health of democracy. Particularly during these times which 
are more troubling than ever before. One chapter of the book deals with 
Martin King. That's why it's a little different kind of assassination 
book because I think in many ways that's the most important chapter. Yes 
it's important to have the details and the evidence of how this whole 
thing took place and how he was taken from us. But what's more important 
is to understand how such a leader comes forward. What his roots are. 
What makes him so special in terms of all of the co-opting pressures 
that are on people who emerge in leadership capacities? Why has there 
been no one to replace him ever since? And why is there a strange 
inaction in terms of the involvement of people in leadership and 
organizations with respect to the major problems of the economic 
situations of vast numbers of Americans in terms of the unequal 
distribution of wealth in America and the quality of life of at least 30 
million Americans and their children? These movement issues are as much 
with us today as ever before and yet there is silence. What was there 
about King and his roots? I trace Martin King back to John Ruskin. Not 
to Gandhi but to Ruskin. John Ruskin is the true father political 
economist in Victorian times in England, the true father of Martin 
King's political and economic philosophy and commitment to the poor of 
this world. He is depicted on King Day as a civil rights leader. And 
that's the way you're going to see him probably forever. But he was much 
more than a civil rights leader and that's what no one in official 
capacity wants you to know. He had moved well beyond the civil rights 
movement by 1964-65 and he had become effectively a world-figure in 
terms of human rights people and particularly the poor of this earth. 
That's where he was going. That's the area you don't really get into 
safely when you start talking about wealth, redistributing wealth. 
Taking, diverting huge sums of money into social welfare programs and 
health programs and educational programs at the grass roots. 
It's important to have the details and the evidence of how this whole 
thing took place and how he was taken from us. But what's more important 
is to understand how such a leader comes forward. What his roots are. 
What makes him so special in terms of all of the co-opting pressures 
that are on people who emerge in leadership capacities? Why has there 
been no one to replace him ever since? And why is there a strange 
inaction in terms of the involvement of people in leadership and 
organizations with respect to the major problems of the economic 
situations of vast numbers of Americans in terms of the unequal 
distribution of wealth in America and the quality of life of at least 30 
million Americans and their children. 
When you start going into that you begin to tread on toes in this 
country, in the United Kingdom, and in most of the western world. When 
you start associating with the poor of this planet and the exploitation 
of what's happened to whole cultures and tribal cultures in Africa in 
particular, and you see the results of the exploitation of western 
colonial powers and when you want to see a movement to not only arrest 
that process which still goes forward today under different guises but 
to actually reverse it and to give an opportunity for people to control 
their destinies and their own natural wealth, that's dangerous ground to 
get on. So you have to deal with that another way. 
King was committed, increasingly, to that kind of political view which 
you will not hear about in terms of the `I have a dream' speech which is 
typically what he is associated with. He wept in India as early as '60, 
'61 when he was there. He had never seen such poverty in such a massive 
scale. `How can people live like this?' I sympathize with that because 
when I was a 12-year-old I couldn't get my middle-class kids in my 
neighborhood to play baseball with me in the summer heat. So the only 
way I could do it was to go across to the ghetto which was quite a 
distance from where I lived, with a little brown bag, and played ball 
with black kids all day. I did that all summer long just because I loved 
the game. But it taught me a valuable lesson of how people were forced 
to live. Because I would be a guest in their homes and I'd see the rats 
running across the floor, Herbie Fields throwing his shoe at the rats. 
Things like that. There's a lot of people live that like this. Why do 
people live like this? Most of America doesn't see that. We are 
residentially segregated society forever. King saw that, wanted to 
bridge it and the solutions were too radical, too potentially dangerous. 
Jefferson was an idol of his. With all of Jefferson's foibles, remember 
he said, `You need a revolution every 20 years. You need to sweep the 
room clean every 20 years,' said Mr. Jefferson. You need that 
revolution. King believed that as well. How wise was Jefferson? Jack 
Kennedy once said, when he had a dinner for all the living nobel prize 
winners of the United States and they were all gathered around the 
table, he lifted a toast and said `I'm going to toast you this evening 
because never before has so much brilliance, so much wisdom, eaten in 
this room, except when Mr. Jefferson dined alone.' That's the impact of 
that perception, that political perception that Kennedy appreciated so 
much. That's the background and the overview, I suppose, the summary of 
the case as it is contained in the book and of my history of involvement 
with it. In many ways I had put it behind me when this book was finished 
and now I've had to come around and it's a pleasure to come and see 
folks like you and talk to you. But there's a whole part of me that's 
now in a whole other world. I convene a seminar on International Human 
Rights at Oxford with the motto of our seminars being Non nobis solum 
nati sumas, which means We exist not for ourselves alone. That's in 
honor of Martin Luther King, whose son, Martin the 3rd opened the series 
last year. So I've gone away from this and I spend a lot of time in 
Caracas with Hugo Chavez who was at Oxford as a guest of my seminar [7] 
and whose Bolivarian revolution I've come to believe in very much as a 
continuation of the legacy of Martin King. 
But I'm back in the throes of this as a result of the book tour. I'm 
happy to be with you. Thank you for coming and I hope it has been useful 
for you. I'll try to answer any questions that you have. 
Question: I don't know if I heard correctly. Did you say that a police 
officer shot Martin King? 
William Pepper:Yes.
Q: And where does Loyd Jowers come in?
WP: He was out there in the brush area with him. When Betty saw him 
coming in she said he was white as a sheet and his knees were all 
covered in mud. He had obviously been kneeling. It had rained the night 
before and it was pretty muddy out there. Which is why they cleaned the 
area up thoroughly the next morning. 
Q: What is it thought that he did? Did he fire too?
WP: No he didn't. He just was there to retrieve the gun and bring it 
inside. That was his only role. At that point in time. He didn't do it. 
Q: Is the policeman known? Who he is?
WP: I know who the policeman is, yes.
Q: It's mentioned in the book isn't it?
WP: Sorry -
Q: His name is mentioned in Orders To Kill . . . Earl -
WP: That's a very interesting story. I thought that Earl Clark was the 
killer of Martin Luther King. He was a sharp-shooter, brilliant shooter, 
hated King, racist guy who ran the rifle range for the Memphis Police 
Department. I thought as early as 1988-89 that Clark was the killer, the 
shooter. He died in, I believe it was '82, '83. I visited with his first 
wife and interviewed her for a period of several hours with his son 
sitting there, a young boy, I think he was about 15. 
She gave him an alibi. She said `He came home that afternoon and he was 
tired. He'd been on duty around-the-clock. He went to sleep. He asked me 
to listen to the radio. If they called him, wake him up, and then run 
and get his uniform from the cleaners and he would take a shower and get 
ready to go back in.' She said that's what happened. She got this call 
right after the assassination. She'd heard it on the radio, on the 
dining room table. She went and she woke him up. He was asleep on the 
sofa. He went to take his shower and she went off to get his uniform. 
And she gave him that alibi. I thought, Why would she do this? There was 
a lot of animosity. He divorced her. Why would she protect him? I 
believed her and went away from Earl Clark for quite a period of time. 
Then when Jowers came on the scene and he decided he would tell the 
whole truth in pre-trial interviews and depositions; when he, to Andy 
Young and Dexter King, separately, and then to Dexter and myself, told 
the whole story, he implicated Earl Clark. And he said, `Clark was out 
there in the bushes.' I remember saying to him, `Are you sure that Clark 
was the shooter? Clark was the one that gave you gun?' He said, `Yeah 
I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure.' I wondered why he would even say it 
that way. And Clark was in on all the planning sessions. So I came back 
to believe that that was the case and put Mrs. Clark on the stand in the 
trial and she told the same story and she stuck to it. She held up well 
under cross-examination. And then I found the young man who was the son 
of the owner of the cleaning establishment. He was, and is, on the 
island of Guam, a school teacher. I found this guy (his name is [Thomas] 
Dent) and I said to him, `Let me ask you a question: Where were you on 
the 4th of April when Martin King was killed?' He said, `I was working 
in the store.' `How late were you opened?' He said, `Dad shut the store 
at about 6:15 or 6:20, shortly after the killing. I had gone about ten 
to or five to six. It took about 20 minutes to get home, something like 
that. Dad was home for dinner at about 6:35, 6:40.' I said, `Did you see 
Mrs. Clark come in and get Earl Clark's uniform? Did you know who Earl 
Clark is?' `Oh yes, of course I know who Earl Clark is. He was a buddy 
of my father's. We knew him well.' I said, `Did you see Mrs. Clark?' He 
said, `Well I never saw Mrs. Clark. In fact I don't think I ever even 
seen her at all.' `You mean she didn't come into the shop that 
afternoon?' He said, `On no, no.' And then I tried to put two and two 
together. King was killed at 6:01. She woke him up and then she went to 
the store. We drove the route and even asked her how long does it take 
to get there? She said about 20-25 minutes. So she clearly could not 
have gotten there when the store was open anyway. It was already shut on 
the basis of what young Mr. Dent said. I questioned him further and 
finally he said to me, `She definitely didn't come in to pick up his 
uniform and I don't even remember that she ever did that. He used to 
pick up his own uniforms and drop by and have a word with my father. And 
in fact, that afternoon he came into the store at about ten past five, 
quarter past five. He went in the back with my father and he was there 
for about fifteen or twenty minutes.' I asked, `You're sure of that?' He 
said, `I'm sure of that.' So Clark was in the store, talking to the 
father. I said `So why would he talk to your father?' He said `They were 
hunting buddies. Dad used to provide him with specially packed 
cartridges. I don't know if that's what they did that day but he went 
back there.' So that broke her alibi entirely. She was clearly lying. He 
was not there. That doesn't mean he was the shooter. But the alibi was 
gone, he was somewhere else. So I went back to him and came away with 
the conclusion, based on what Jowers had said that he probably was the 
killer. Then there have been some developments since then which lead me 
to believe that yes he was out in the back there with Jowers. But there 
was another man there as well. And the other man was the actual killer 
of Martin Luther King. 
I convene a seminar on International Human Rights at Oxford with the 
motto of our seminars being Non nobis solum nati sumas, which means We 
exist not for ourselves alone. That's in honor of Martin Luther King, 
whose son, Martin the 3rd opened the series last year. So I've gone away 
from this and I spend a lot of time in Caracas with Hugo Chavez who was 
at Oxford as a guest of my seminar and whose Bolivarian revolution I've 
come to believe in very much as a continuation of the legacy of Martin 
King. 
Q: The government has so much power and resources on their hands. How 
can we effectively organize now, grassroots organizing against war or 
civil rights and even justice? 
WP: If you look around -- I see the building of a movement now that I 
haven't seen in a long time because of the threatened assault on Iraq. I 
think that there is a developing movement in terms of the anti-Iraqi war 
effort that is coming on. But also over the last several years the 
anti-globalization campaigners have brought a tremendous amount of force 
to building a coalition around the world. It's not just (of course) an 
American threat anymore. There is that movement. 
It's a question of linking up, it's a question of networking and linking 
up and finding out who -- in this community, for example, there is a 
strong anti-war movement from what I understand -- who is a part of 
that? It's a question of linking up, developing the synergy and being 
concerned to move it not just in terms of these major international 
issues which people bind together in solidarity over but local community 
issues as well. You have to relate the many ways of what's happening to 
you in the local community, in terms of jobs, in terms of 
discrimination, in terms of police problems -- you have to relate that 
to what's going on all over the world. The number of prisons that are 
being built in a state like California. Why are prisons being 
increasingly built? Who are the prisoners? Who is the prison population? 
What percentage of young blacks in this country have not served some 
time in prison? What happens to disruptive community leaders? What is 
going on in terms of that? Is that a government policy? What has been 
the result of the amount of drugs that have been brought into 
communities, urban communities, black, hispanic communities across this 
country now? For many years -- 30, 40 years -- there have been drug 
problems sapping, destroying the strength of local leadership by getting 
people hooked on this stuff. Where does that come from? If you look at 
how LSD was developed (for example) and if you look at the whole history 
of the importation of cocaine from Columbia through Mena Airport in 
Arkansas when Clinton was Governor of Arkansas and how that was spread 
by gangs throughout the country and sold and what happened to the 
profits. [8] It's a devastating situation in terms of controlling a 
population. But it shouldn't shock people. This is what's going on. 
The Northwoods plan -- anybody hear the Northwoods plan? Anybody know 
what the Northwoods plan was? You know, you know. That tells you 
something about this government that shouldn't shock you but should make 
you aware. Northwoods was a plan that was developed by General Lemnitzer 
when he was Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. That plan called for 
the killing of American citizens on the streets of a number of cities in 
this country under the guise of having those killings be done by Cubans 
in order to justify an American invasion of Cuba. That was Lemnitzer's 
plan back in 1962. When Jack Kennedy saw it he was absolutely horrified. 
That they would kill Americans and use that as a means for then invading 
Cuba. [9] 
When you see these things there is nothing you should put past the 
capability of government to do, either in propagandizing its people and 
killing its people, enslaving its people, imprisoning its people; 
whatever it has to do to maintain power, it does. We were so naïve back 
in the `old days' as I like to say, and we had to learn, I'm afraid, the 
hard way. 
Martin King was naïve, totally naïve. He never stayed overnight at the 
Lorraine Motel. He came there for day meetings but never stayed 
overnight. I know this because I know the black detectives who used to 
guard him and where they were. I know where he stayed every time he was 
in Memphis. He never stayed at the Lorraine. But he came to the Lorraine 
on the third of April because he was told This is where you have to go 
to show your solidarity with the poor people and stay overnight Martin, 
don't go to the Rivermont or one of those other hotels. He was supposed 
to be in a court room, 202, down below where he was safe, protected. And 
somehow, mysteriously he got moved to room 306. Because there was a 
`request' that he be moved to room 306 so he could have a better view. 
He was manipulated. He didn't have proper security. Of course he paid 
the ultimate price. 
But if they want to kill anybody I suppose they can anyway. Every day 
I'd go into court in Memphis, I'd get a phone call the night before or 
early in the morning about how I was never going to make it through the 
day. If I managed to get into the Courthouse alive, I certainly wouldn't 
get back to my hotel alive [laughs] -- they'd get me going in or coming 
out. But that was just to unnerve me I think. They missed their chance a 
long time. Q: The Mafia in Memphis: where did they get their orders, was 
their control from Chicago, New York, New Orleans? -- 
WP: New Orleans, [Carlos] Marcello. There was a Marcello contract. 
Marcello was involved in a joint venture with the 902nd Military 
Intelligence Group who coordinated this overall effort. Marcello would 
receive stolen weapons from arsenals and camps and forts. They would be 
trucked in to him. He would then put them on a flatboat, they'd go 
around into the Gulf and be taken off in Houston, repackaged and sold 
into Latin/South America and they'd split the profits 50-50. Glenda 
Grabow who came forward, ultimately was one of our witnesses who 
identified Raul -- who was the first one to really do that -- used to go 
down with Raul and some of these people to pick up these weapons. So she 
came to know about that. This was a Marcello contract. 
Q: In terms of those four assassinations: both Kennedys and Malcom X and 
Martin Luther King, you have done work in this area that no one else has 
done. We know that there were two sniper teams from Army intelligence 
that had King and Young in their scopes at the time that he was shot. 
They didn't do the shooting but they were prepared to do the shooting if 
the contracted killer didn't do the job. So we have those identities, we 
have those shooters, we have a direct connection with the state 
apparatus. We have this country that has a national holiday; the same 
country that killed King is the country that has a national holiday. 
This stuff is suppressed but the fact of the matter is you've done an 
incredible job. People know there are other shooters in the Kennedy 
case. But they haven't been taken to court, there hasn't been a jury 
trial, it hasn't been identified who the killers were. In all of these 
cases you've done a breakthrough job and I want to acknowledge and thank 
you for that. 
WP: It's been a long haul, a long expensive haul.
Q: [same person] The one thing I did want to ask, I don't know if you 
want to go into this. Given that we now know that governments are 
capable of killing their own citizens and given the experience of 9-11 
where, just to mention two items: the stock trading on the day 
before [10] and the fact that the normal intercept procedures for planes 
in U.S. airspace off course for upwards of 15 minutes -- and they were 
off course for an hour or more -- were not followed [11]; if you think 
it's possible given these four assassinations -- Gore Vidal has argued 
this point [12] but no other single, famous American intellectual is 
prepared to go to the point . . . of saying the government let it [9-11] 
happen [unintelligible -- indicated in the following with ". . ."] . . . 
WP: I would say you can't put anything past this government or any other 
government of this sort. Because the people who are in power, 
officially, are really only foot soldiers for the people who run things 
from the shadows. 9-11 has personally given me a lot of difficulty. But 
this is not just something that is unique to the United States. 
Lord Salisbury planned the assassination of Queen Victoria. He had his 
guys go get two IRA shooters to kill Queen Victoria, put them on the 
route, and as the Queen was going down the route and the shooters were 
getting ready -- boom! -- out come the Special Branch guys and they 
arrested them. They took them away and that was the basis for offensive 
action against the IRA. This is what governments do and have always 
done. The Brits have taught the Americans over the years and taught them 
well. 9-11 is a problem that you have to look at carefully. You have to 
analyze what's going on. I can tell you just one anecdote because I 
haven't done any work on it. I represent the government of Pakistan on 
asset search-and-recovery work. It has to do with recovering money 
that's been stolen from the government by previous Prime Ministers. 
That's what I do for them but because of that I had established 
relationships with some people who were there, very thoughtful people, a 
couple of whom are on the General Staff. They asked me to draw up a 
proposal with respect to what the government's policy should be in terms 
of cooperating or not with the United States. I opposed strongly the 
collaboration with the United States in terms of the Afghanistan 
adventure because of a whole variety of reasons I can't go into right 
now. 
You can't put anything past this government or any other government of 
this sort. Because the people who are in power, officially, are really 
only foot soldiers for the people who run things from the shadows. 9-11 
has personally given me a lot of difficulty. But this is not just 
something that is unique to the United States. 
One of the things I learned in the course of the discussions was that 
the head of ISI, that's Pakistani Intelligence, is a fellow called 
General Mahmoud Ahmad. General Mahmoud had instructed Sheikh Umar who 
was an undercover operative for them -- a covert liaison operative with 
Muslim groups: the Taliban as well as Kashmiris -- he had instructed and 
authorized Umar to send $100,000 to Mohammed Atta in Florida. That's not 
even denied anymore. When that became public Mahmoud was immediately 
removed from his position as head of ISI and put under house arrest so 
no one could interview him. 
That one little fact is very troubling to me because it means that 
somehow, the head of Pakistani intelligence through Sheikh Umar, one of 
his operatives, sent $100,000 here to the United States to a Florida 
bank account of one of the hijackers, a leader of one of the hijacking 
operations, Mohammed Atta. Now how did that happen? What is that all 
about? [13] 
There are only two options: (1) either this was a rogue operation and 
ISI has a number of fundamentalists, even in the General Staff, who were 
involved with them; or (2) that it was programmed by a foreign 
intelligence agency that had been running ISI in the anti-Soviet 
activities in Afghanistan for a long time. The Brits had an MI6-guy (for 
example) in residence all the time there. I don't know the answer to 
that. And when I ask friends of mine about that they don't know. Q: He 
was in Washington -- 
WP: Mahmoud was in Washington at the time on September 11th. But I don't 
honestly have the answer. All I can do is raise that question which is 
troubling. And you might know that Umar is the fellow who's been 
convicted of killing Danny Pearl, the Wall Street Journal journalist. 
The President of Pakistan has said quietly but publically he would never 
allow Sheikh Umar to be extradited to the United States. That he would 
hang him himself first. I think that's probably because of things that 
he knows. [14] 
Q: I have a couple of comments. I haven't read your book yet so I don't 
know if you cover these or not. One is about the mysterious death of the 
Judge who supposedly died of the heart attack. I saw a play many years 
ago . . . the CIA has a poison gas they use to assassinate people with, 
they spray in people's faces that simulates a heart attack that 
supposedly is undetectable. The other comment, many years ago I saw a 
couple of . . . quotations attributed to . . . One was that he wasn't 
interested in really finding out who killed King (I'm not sure what his 
reason was) and the other is he was saying something about how he 
thought that somehow King was better off dead. Do you know anything 
about that? 
WP: Andy Young often said he thinks that the movement itself, somehow, 
initially anyway, benefitted from the martyrdom of Martin King. When I 
met with Andy for several hours for the first time after I learned about 
him being a target, and it was actually well after it was published in 
Orders To Kill, he was shocked and I think his perspective changed. 
Because he then became involved with us. He met with Loyd Jowers and he 
has become convinced that this was an official conspiracy. I think he 
has sobered up now. He's quite a different guy with respect to the 
assassination. 
Q: . . . It just always strikes me it that the work you did was a very a 
dangerous enterprise . . . 
WP: . . . That was always a possibility and we had to confront those 
problems of various types of setups that even went beyond killing. But I 
think they missed their chance. For a long time I worked very quietly. 
No one paid any attention, shrugged their shoulders, and I didn't 
attract much attention. Then all of a sudden after the television trial 
[in Spring 1993] things started to heat up a bit and it started to get a 
bit worrying. But they suppressed anything having to do with Jowers. So 
I think they still thought they were safe and they could just beat us 
down. 
When the King family then became formally and publically involved it was 
too late. I don't think at that point in time they could do anything to 
me. I think they missed their chance. I've just time for one more -- Q: 
Does Hoover have any involvement with MLK's death? 
WP: He knew everything that was going on, he was aware of it. He didn't 
participate in the assassination but he ran the cover-up. It was his job 
to take control of the investigation which he did and he ran the 
cover-up. That's what he did. 
          The ability of the net energy plus people in the US to 
understand what is happening and how and why has been surprisingly poor. 
This general ignorance has been helped along by corporate control of the 
media (which, for this reason, I call the `corporate media,' to 
distinguish it from the independent media), `info-warfare' and covert 
operations. The more public form of information warfare promotes 
divide-and-conquer tactics and incentives (men vs. women, rich vs. poor, 
black vs. white, Christian vs. non-Christian, Republican vs. Democrat 
and so forth). The more private form of covert operations includes 
targeting by tax and regulatory authorities, blackmail, financial and 
sexual bribery that support `control file' systems, assassination and 
the use various other forms of covert operations that diminish a more 
general communication about what is happening and why. 
          A review of the economics helps us understand why and how. If 
we can presume that 10% of revenues is a reasonable advertising and 
marketing budget for a high-margin industry, then organized crime in 
America as measured by the Department of Justice's estimate of $500 
billion to $1 trillion in annual money laundering through the US 
financial system has about $50 billion to spend annually on `marketing' 
in ways more subtle than explicit Madison Avenue T.V. and magazine ads. 
Add that amount to the government budgets that can be used to police 
franchises, and the amount of money spent on controlling and influencing 
the `official reality' is stupefying. When an understanding of the 
amount spent to mislead is combined with an understanding of our 
intentional failure of disclosure regarding government investment and 
performance, particularly place-based disclosure, the intentional and 
increasing centralization of economic and political power by unlawful 
means can be much better understood. 
          The advantage of such a system to current US leadership is 
clear. By centralizing the holding of equity in local institutions or in 
outside institutions that affect local matters (whether through 
McDonalds franchises or national telecommunications companies) and 
denying equity to those who do not support the centralization process, 
the few at the top can amass the political base of operations and 
resources they and their global investors need to dominate global 
political and economic power. It is fair to say that that if we could 
eliminate narcotics trafficking and the so-called `War on Drugs', the US 
political and business leadership would be more likely to resemble a 
representative sampling of the US population than a G-7 gathering of 
global financial elites. 
          As new technology promotes meaner and far more subtle and 
invisible forms of economic warfare and social control, the 
centralization of political and economic power in the US continues with 
the latest transformation from the War on Drugs to the War on Terrorism. 
The latter moves the targeting of continuous `clamp down' supported by 
sophisticated relational database technology and digital surveillance to 
whiter, wealthier and better-educated populations at the same time that 
this population's economic and political power and resources are 
diminishing. 
          The Solari challenge is to create a transformation out of the 
current win-lose situation in which we find ourselves. The key is to 
provide a trustworthy flow of information locally that -- when combined 
with equity incentive systems -- promotes and incentivizes high 
standards of responsibility and accountability going forward. Only a 
system that creates significantly greater amounts of wealth can do so. 
The fundamental principle that all humans want more energy -- not less- 
along with the mysteries of freedom and intelligence tell us that it is 
possible. 
          Making it possible starts with increasing the flow of energy 
to the net energy plus people and moving them back into leadership 
positions locally. This can happen in a model in which a portion of the 
resulting capital gains flows to the capital that was amassed through 
organized crime and government corruption. In exchange for offering the 
leadership of organized crime a `double' on their ill-gotten gains, the 
local `net energy plus' people can buy back control of their local 
areas. This alignment is necessary to achieve breakthroughs in 
reengineering place-based government investment. Without it, the risks 
to both sides are significant. 
          This is why the Solari Stock Plan is at the very core of the 
solari model. The economic productivity that can be unleashed when the 
high performance people are in control subject to traditional conditions 
of fiduciary accountability and performance are so extraordinary that 
`buying' our way into such a system turns out to be surprisingly 
economic for all concerned. 
In his new exposé of the National Security Agency entitled Body of 
Secrets, author James Bamford highlights a set of proposals on Cuba by 
the Joint Chiefs of Staff code-named OPERATION NORTHWOODS. This 
document, titled "Justification for U.S. Military Intervention in Cuba" 
was provided by the JCS to Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara on March 
13, 1962, as the key component of Northwoods. Written in response to a 
request from the Chief of the Cuba Project, Col. Edward Lansdale, the 
Top Secret memorandum describes U.S. plans to covertly engineer various 
pretexts that would justify a U.S. invasion of Cuba. These proposals -- 
part of a secret anti-Castro program known as Operation Mongoose -- 
included staging the assassinations of Cubans living in the United 
States, developing a fake "Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami 
area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington," including 
"sink[ing] a boatload of Cuban refugees (real or simulated)," faking a 
Cuban airforce attack on a civilian jetliner, and concocting a "Remember 
the Maine" incident by blowing up a U.S. ship in Cuban waters and then 
blaming the incident on Cuban sabotage. Bamford himself writes that 
Operation Northwoods "may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the 
U.S. government." 
When you start associating with the poor of this planet and the 
exploitation of what's happened to whole cultures and tribal cultures in 
Africa in particular, and you see the results of the exploitation of 
western colonial powers and when you want to see a movement to not only 
arrest that process which still goes forward today under different 
guises but to actually reverse it and to give an opportunity for people 
to control their destinies and their own natural wealth, that's 
dangerous ground to get on. . . . 
        King was committed, increasingly, to that kind of political view 
which you will not hear about in terms of the `I have a dream' speech 
which is typically what he is associated with. He wept in India as early 
as '60, '61 when he was there. He had never seen such poverty in such a 
massive scale. `How can people live like this?' . . . King saw that, 
wanted to bridge it and the solutions were too radical, too potentially 
dangerous. Jefferson was an idol of his. With all of Jefferson's 
foibles, remember he said, `You need a revolution every 20 years. You 
need to sweep the room clean every 20 years,' said Mr. Jefferson. You 
need that revolution. King believed that as well.
Martin Luther King Assassination
Interview with Dr. William Pepper - February 14, 1997
by Paul DeRienzo
The world was shocked on April 4, 1968 when a sniper's bullet put an end 
to the life of the nation's best known advocate of non-violent 
resistance to injustice. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was planning a 
massive poor people's march in Washington DC, scheduled for the summer 
of 1968, and the civil rights leader had already come to oppose the 
United States deepening involvement in Vietnam. King was already a 
target of FBI director J. Edgar Hoover, who ordered his agents to 
"neutralize" anyone who might rise to be what Hoover called a "black 
messiah," as part of Hoover's COINTELPRO operation of illegal spying and 
dirty tricks aimed at destroying the Black liberation movement.
King had come to Memphis, Tennessee to support a sanitation workers 
strike. He was shot and killed as stood on the porch of his room in the 
Lorraine Motel. James Earl Ray, who confessed to the crime, was arrested 
in London after a still unexplained world wide jaunt to allude 
authorities. Not long after confessing, Ray tried to recant his story, 
but he's been denied a new trial on seven different occasions.Ray's 
lawyer is Dr. William Pepper, who is also the author of "Orders to Kill, 
The Truth Behind the Murder of Martin Luther King". Pepper says new 
investigative techniques could prove once and for all that Ray did not 
shoot King. Pepper spoke with Paul DeRienzo, an investigative reporter 
for radio station WBAI in New York City 
Dr. William Pepper: James Earl Ray should get a trial precisely because 
he's never had a trial and because he was coerced into pleading guilty 
back in 1969, and because a considerable amount of new evidence has been 
uncovered that shows that he is actually innocent of the crime. James of 
course has been trying to get this trial since three days after the 
guilty plea on March 10, 1969.
Paul DeRienzo: Who advised Ray to plead guilty?
Pepper: Percy Foreman coerced him into pleading guilty. Percy came in 
two months after they'd been negotiating a plea behind Ray's back and 
told him he had to plead guilty because Ray was already deemed guilty in 
public opinion and he'd be convicted by a Memphis jury. Foreman told Ray 
his family would be harassed, his father, a probation violator, would be 
sent back to prison and they'd fry Ray in the electric chair. Foreman 
added that his own health was so bad he wouldn't be able to give Ray an 
adequate defense anyway.
Foreman told Ray to plead guilty and he'd then give his brother $500, if 
Ray didn't cause any problems at the guilty plea hearing, and he could 
take that $500 and hire a lawyer to set aside the plea. Foreman actually 
put that in writing.
DeRienzo: Did Foreman have had connections to a man known as Raoul, a 
person that James Earl Ray says was part of the conspiracy?
Pepper: Raoul was the chap who controlled Ray and I've uncovered a 
witness who knew Foreman very well and said that Foreman told her at one 
point in 1978 that Ray was innocent but that he had to be sacrificed. 
Foreman also told this woman, who had known Raoul for many years, that 
he knew Raoul and that he would try to intervene with him to protect 
her.
DeRienzo: Is there evidence Raoul exists?
Pepper: He exists and we have four people who identified him and I know 
who he is, where he is, what his phone number is, everything about him 
that one needs. All I need is a criminal trial so I can have him 
subpoenaed.
DeRienzo: Who is Raoul? Is he a government informant, Mafia informant, 
what was his role in this?
Pepper: He was associated with the Marcello organized crime group out of 
New Orleans and he also had intelligence ties. 
DeRienzo: Are you saying that Martin Luther King was assassinated by 
some conspiracy involving the Mafia and United States government?
Pepper: Yes.
DeRienzo: Could you briefly describe the nature of such a conspiracy and 
why it would arise?
Pepper: It arose because they were committed to not letting Martin 
Luther King bring half a million people to Washington in 1968, and 
because his growing opposition to the Vietnam war was becoming such a 
problem at home that he was no longer tolerable. The descent into 
Washington of 500,000 or so people who were going to camp there was 
unacceptable because they believed it was going to turn into a 
rebellion, they didn't have the troops to put it down and General 
Westmorland wanted another 200,000 troops in Vietnam. So at all costs 
Martin Luther King was not going to be allowed to lead that group to 
Washington and he was going to be stopped.
DeRienzo: Looking at you book "Orders to Kill", I see among the 
photographs a picture of a number of military officer, the Special 
Forces officers at Fort Bragg. Why is their picture included in your 
book?
Pepper: Because the 20th Special Forces Group was a backup unit in 
Memphis if the civilian contractor failed. If the contractor was unable 
to carry out the contract and kill Martin Luther King then there was an 
eight man team, the Alpha 184 team, in Memphis that would make sure the 
job was done. I know all the members of the team, their names, rank, 
serial numbers, where they came from, the details of their briefing at 
4:30 AM on the 4th of April and where they were located in Memphis at 
the time of the killing. They did not kill Dr. King, but they were there 
as a back-up to do the job.
DeRienzo: Dr. William Pepper, describe yourself, only because I want to 
assure the readers that you're not a conspiracy nut, or a conspiracy 
theorist, but a person with a lot of experience. Tell us about yourself?
Pepper: I practice International law primarily, I'm a Barrister in 
England and an attorney in the United States. I was a friend of Martin 
Luther King in 1967 and 68, the last year of his life, after I got back 
from Vietnam where I was a journalist. He asked to meet with me and I 
came to know him and work with him. He asked me to lead a group called 
the National Conference on New Politics, an umbrella organization 
designed to remove the Johnson administration from office.
DeRienzo: So, you're not a conspiracy nut or theorist?
Pepper: I've not been involved in conspiracies. I've been involved in 
this case because in 1977 Reverend Ralph Abernathy, Martin's friend, 
asked me to interview James Early Ray who I thought was the killer. When 
they killed Martin I went with Benjamin Spock to the memorial march in 
Memphis and then I walked away from politics. Nine years later Rev. 
Abernathy came back and said he wanted me to interrogate Ray. That 
started this for me on October 17, 1978 and I've been involved in the 
case ever since. It was 10 years after that when I eventually agreed to 
represent Ray. I agreed to represent Ray only when I became totally 
convinced that he was a patsy and was used by forces well beyond his 
comprehension to carry out this murder. But I have not been involved in 
investigating the other assassinations.
I handled Robert Kennedy's Senate campaign as a citizen chairman in 
Westchester county, New York when he ran in 1964. I was quite a young 
person when they killed Kennedy in 1968 and I looked at that as most 
people did and assumed they had the right guy. But I have not 
investigated that case. I don't dwell on these things, but I've been 
involved in this one and its been difficult to let go.
DeRienzo: It's mind-boggling to me as a reporter to have someone so 
coolly. so rationally, describe such a monstrous crime. What happened in 
the initial investigation and how was it that a conspiracy of such 
monstrous proportions could get past so many people for so long?
Pepper: It didn't get past them, they were part of it. The conspiracy to 
kill Martin Luther King went to the highest levels of the American 
government. It's been covered-up all this time to the present and I'm 
not optimistic that we're ever going to break through because the forces 
behind the assassination are formidable. It's not a question of "getting 
by" people, the assassination was the result of covert efforts, and not 
so covert efforts, to make sure the truth doesn't get to the American 
people. The media have been a part of the cover-up and they have been 
controlled and influenced each step of the way.
My book "Orders to Kill" has never been reviewed or even considered in 
the United States, yet "USA Today" prints an article this past week that 
asserts the book was "dismissed." It's not been dismissed, it's never 
been considered.
The truth will be, at the end of the day, whether we can put our 
witnesses on the stand, and they can put their evidence out there for 
the world to see, and the state can do its best by cross-examining them 
to break down there credibility, but I want that done in front of a 
jury. We want Ray to have an opportunity to have that trial, to have 
that evidence out there and let a jury decide. It's my belief that in a 
New York minute the jury will decide that James Earl Ray is not guilty, 
just as a television jury decided he was not guilty after they heard a 
fraction of this evidence back in 1993 when we tried this case for 
television over a ten day period.
DeRienzo: Do you think they're going to give James Earl Ray a trial 
before he passes?
Pepper: I don't know. I hope they will, the King family coming forward 
has been a great assistance, I'm very grateful to them and admire their 
courage, but the powers that have kept this truth suppressed so long, 
denied them the truth so long, even denied the defense the right to 
testify or examine the murder weapon for so long, these powers have an 
arrogance that knows no bounds. All we can do is keep going up against 
then as long as Ray is alive because when he dies it will not be 
possible to establish the truth of his innocence in a court of law.
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